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Should Timezone Wipe The DDRX Edits? (it's all or nothing people)

Leave it, let it cycle through naturally
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Author Topic: Timezone Albert St (Brisbane City)  (Read 171094 times)

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #60 on: June 07, 2008, 08:56:53 PM »
I wouldn't worry about hacking the machine and putting our own mixes on there, I think just having the usb function there for the songs is enough, would love to see John price match his Sn2, new machine $1/4 yes please!

Silent Hill arcade = visits to Replay again =p

Oh regarding the unlock codes seems Eamuse once again gets the best end of it, I believe they still get their extra/encore updated, for codes only machine looks like a long wait to November when the final code will be out apparently.

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #61 on: June 07, 2008, 09:27:49 PM »
we can hack custom courses too, just so you know :P
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #62 on: June 07, 2008, 09:48:54 PM »
But don't. Loading songs off USB should be enough for anybody. You start messing the machine and John will start getting nervous.
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #63 on: June 07, 2008, 09:58:56 PM »
Start messing with the machine and you'll get emopop long songs ok  ;D

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #64 on: June 07, 2008, 11:13:23 PM »
no, we wont coz they wont have access to the machine :P
then again we probably wont either haha
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #65 on: June 08, 2008, 12:20:51 AM »
'cept he's the one who suggested putting custom songs on the machine.  And if the USB's anywhere as dodgy as the one at Logan where it just randomly won't load songs (or randomly won't load USB at all), it'd be justified.

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2008, 12:05:38 AM »
Just FWIW, if we DO end up hacking the machine, it's possible to obtain a backup of ITG2 and hack that instead.  Only the HD is altered.  I don't know what's specifically needed to do this, but that's because I can't be bothered right now - I can find more than enough information, I just can't be bothered reading.  Busy busy busy!

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #67 on: June 10, 2008, 12:40:48 AM »
Start messing with the machine and you'll get emopop long songs ok  ;D

If you're running r21, you can patch any song on your USB to make the machine think it's 1:45.  I think r23 prevents this, but rather than making long songs or marathons, it just won't let you play anything over a certain length, which is stupid.  We currently run r21, and it doesn't really get abused at all.  There is also a file limit, so music files can't be over 5MB, which stops people from playing stupidly long songs, unless they're smart enough to compress it down a lot, which most people aren't.
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #68 on: June 10, 2008, 12:42:28 AM »
I know about the long song hacks you can do with just usb, but I'm more concerned about having those songs stored on the machine

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #69 on: June 10, 2008, 01:44:48 AM »
I guess the first thing to do is, if John gets ITG2, make sure the staff won't let just anybody put on hacks.  Better safe than sorry.  Otherwise we could end up with a machine full of Anime Mix's, causing heaps of load lag because of songs one person plays.

Makes sense to put old DDR songs on, though.  Worst case scenario:  A bunch of $20 high speed Sandisk USB sticks, one per mix, or something like that.

MUST SPELL SANDISK RIGHT.  THERE IS NO "C" IN SANDISK.

But yeah, r21 is at Logan's ITG machine and nobody abuses it.  People do the 1:45 hack all the time, of course, but that's because it's pretty hard to edit a song below 2:00 because most songs don't have a quiet bit for that long anyway!  But I'm just thinking how much of a bitch the Logan machine is, and how it won't read half my USB's contents, except it's never the same songs twice.  It just randomly won't read them all.  Then the next game, it reads less.  The third game, it usually won't read any at all (or it's just worse again).  And so on.  If Replay's does that, I'll be REALLY pissed.  Sure, I could unplug the machine, but would the staff appreciate that, or appreciate being asked to turn it off/on constantly?

That's really the only reason why the whole idea of hacking the machine is tempting to me.  I don't really like ITG2's built-in songlist, and I'm sure everyone remembers I didn't like ITG1's much.  And John pretty much invited us to - although I got the impression he's heard only vaguely what it can do.  In other words, he obviously doesn't know it involves USB keyboards, booting off USB and so on.  But I've read the guide on how to do it and it doesn't involve replacing any files, so it'd appear "safe", and from the docs I read, it looks like it's even easier to remove the songs.  But ultimately it doesn't matter.  I don't think we'll be the first ones with the opportunity to hack it anyway.

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #70 on: June 10, 2008, 09:45:37 AM »
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ain't gonna happen methinks. Stick to the USBs.

unless they're smart enough to compress it down a lot, which most people aren't.

I am =]

... But I only play marathon songs down at logan when there aren't any people waiting to play, and if there were, i'd have to let it go after a few minutes. Ayu Trance @ 40 mins = gooode value for 50 cents xD (I wouldn't do it at Replay, fwiw... the most I would play would be something like 3 minutes.. its just common courtesy)

as for the emopop

emos seriously would not go to the effort to download stepmania, get their music in the right format, learn how to use stepmania, step a 4 minute song or w/e, then learn about the patch, then delete the .dwi's and the banners, then get the usb set up, then copy it on, THEN put have the nerve to put it in the machine and NOT get bored with the steps that they make.

Only the people who are aware of how it works would even bother with r21

@ John getting ITG2

Where's he gonna get the disc from?
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #71 on: June 10, 2008, 11:57:56 AM »
there are upgrade kits lying about in america probably
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #72 on: June 10, 2008, 12:55:10 PM »
would he go to the effort tho?
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #73 on: June 10, 2008, 01:03:42 PM »
who knows, itd still be interesting to watch
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #74 on: June 10, 2008, 06:30:31 PM »
I told John the Boxors are known for their rarity.  Didn't seem to register with him.  Either he didn't hear me, doesn't believe me, or already knows where one is, I guess.

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2008, 09:10:07 AM »
A) Either he didn't hear me

B) Doesn't believe me

C) Already knows where one is


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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #76 on: June 14, 2008, 10:08:27 AM »
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #77 on: July 04, 2008, 03:24:51 PM »
If you could put a dollar tag value on a Replay DDR cabinet in 5 seconds, what would that value be?

My guess is $5000
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #78 on: July 04, 2008, 03:36:01 PM »
which ddr cab
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #79 on: July 04, 2008, 03:46:22 PM »
which ddr cab

All?

We'd specifically like to know about the old SN cab, the memory card slots one. The one that was in replay ages ago for $1 join premium 4 songs.

Also, does anyone feel a difference playing on SN2's flatscreen to the other round screen cabs?

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #80 on: July 04, 2008, 06:08:36 PM »
which ddr cab

any, excluding supernova 2
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #81 on: July 04, 2008, 09:08:33 PM »
If you're thinking John would sell one to you, I doubt it - if anything, he'd sell it back to Zax.  And they charge $6000 for MAX2.  DDR is the only Bemani game that generally speaking doesn't depreciate in value...well, actually, IIDX doesn't either.  Oops. (I mean that in the context of never becoming cheaper when for sale, not as in if you bought one now you could sell it back at the same price in a year.  But maybe you could, I wouldn't be surprised!)

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #82 on: July 06, 2008, 08:25:22 PM »
If you're thinking John would sell one to you, I doubt it - if anything, he'd sell it back to Zax.  And they charge $6000 for MAX2.  DDR is the only Bemani game that generally speaking doesn't depreciate in value...well, actually, IIDX doesn't either.  Oops. (I mean that in the context of never becoming cheaper when for sale, not as in if you bought one now you could sell it back at the same price in a year.  But maybe you could, I wouldn't be surprised!)

I'm sure he'll sell it to anyone who'll pay. He estimates his old extreme cab at about $6000. Probably about 400-500 to fix it up though.

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #83 on: July 06, 2008, 09:47:52 PM »
Okay, arcade cabinets 101:  Getting the parts is a pain too - I know Channel Beat have them, but they have a bad reputation (might be safe with parts, though).  Coin-Op Express sell parts also, but they have minimum orders ($200, might be total and not per item since it applies to 70c screws as well).

The best way to get a DDR cabinet for a good price is to keep your ears open in australian arcade forums and read the national arcade papers.  Occasionally arcades purge their stock.  Replay had a Dance Freaks (DanceManiaX) machine for a while which reputedly cost something like $600, ex-Timezone.  Highway Games is a good place to look (they have two sites, one for their own stock, one as an Australian network).  A few other places exist - there's one in WA, but I can't remember its name.  It specialises more in retrogaming stuff.  If you go through a retailer, though, you'll probably end up paying GST - prices listed online never include it.  If you import, expect to get hit with other annoying tariffs as well (I think you'd pay something like 20-30% extra in total, but I can't remember).

I'm looking to get $3000+ for my tax return soon and I don't know what I'll spend it on, but I intend to throw a bit of savings onto that and make it a nice, round $5000.  I haven't ruled out arcade cabinets, but I have ruled out DDR (no room).  A BM the final is a possibility (and yes, I know it's in MAME).  More than likely though, just a big-ass TV, and maybe a new, big monitor.

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #84 on: July 07, 2008, 01:54:14 PM »
Okay, arcade cabinets 101:  Getting the parts is a pain too - I know Channel Beat have them, but they have a bad reputation (might be safe with parts, though).  Coin-Op Express sell parts also, but they have minimum orders ($200, might be total and not per item since it applies to 70c screws as well).

The best way to get a DDR cabinet for a good price is to keep your ears open in australian arcade forums and read the national arcade papers.  Occasionally arcades purge their stock.  Replay had a Dance Freaks (DanceManiaX) machine for a while which reputedly cost something like $600, ex-Timezone.  Highway Games is a good place to look (they have two sites, one for their own stock, one as an Australian network).  A few other places exist - there's one in WA, but I can't remember its name.  It specialises more in retrogaming stuff.  If you go through a retailer, though, you'll probably end up paying GST - prices listed online never include it.  If you import, expect to get hit with other annoying tariffs as well (I think you'd pay something like 20-30% extra in total, but I can't remember).

I'm looking to get $3000+ for my tax return soon and I don't know what I'll spend it on, but I intend to throw a bit of savings onto that and make it a nice, round $5000.  I haven't ruled out arcade cabinets, but I have ruled out DDR (no room).  A BM the final is a possibility (and yes, I know it's in MAME).  More than likely though, just a big-ass TV, and maybe a new, big monitor.

To get new sensors and stuff to make it good the total will be at least $200 anyway. And, I think simply taking a cabinet off John is a lot easier than "to keep your ears open in australian arcade forums and read the national arcade papers".

What is the national arcade papers anyway?

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #85 on: July 07, 2008, 06:54:40 PM »
It's exactly what I said.  Every industry has some kind of insider publication, and the arcade industry is no exception, despite it being teensy and a bit pants.  Highway Games is one such publication (not to be confused with Highway Entertainment or Highway Group, even though they all are related...I think...), but it's online, and it's not what I meant.  Unsurprisingly, the Australian industry is a shambles.  Always has been.  I seem to recall there used to be a quarterly magazine called RePlay to further confuse matters, but I suspect that's American.

Also I'm pretty sure John has spare sensors.  He just hoards things.  I still don't think John would sell, though, simply because he knows he'd lose customers.  I'd like to be wrong, and if I'm right, I hope you find some other place to pinch a machine from.  My advice would be suck up to him and anybody else you can, and network...there's a lot we don't hear about when we don't.

Also, I will advise that owning an arcade machine is a pain in the arse.  You're probably a lot safer with a DDR cabinet than anything non-Bemani, but I managed to blow up my arcade cabinet by simply moving it a few centimetres.  This could be caused by anything; solder points crack, for example.  I've seen John install Drummania upgrades and just hope they work (and once it took 4 hours or something when it should consist of remove old disc, insert install disc, replace security cart, set boot device if necessary, flash rom, remove disc, insert game disc, run - total 30 mins maybe), and those DDR machines have had their problems too - I can't remember if it was 5th MIX or DDRMAX, but there was one version where we had to revert to a previous version because of something to do with the "wrong crystal" or something which I suspect was BS.  Do plenty of research, and don't expect John to provide manuals (bootlegs) and if in doubt, ask.  I can get you access to manuals and other things.

Alternately, do a couple of searches for OpenITG (to put in a cabinet), JammaPac (to hook up the JAMMA harness to a PC), and obviously, whore a few forums who do that sort of thing...if that's what you want.  If you did it this way, you'd be building essentially a MAME PC.

FWIW, an old style DDR cabinet weighs 500kg (200kg for the stage, 30kg for the marquee).
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #86 on: July 08, 2008, 09:42:54 AM »
we're planning to put stepmania in it for convenience. Scores won't be official, but thats not a problem for us right now
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #87 on: July 08, 2008, 10:07:20 AM »
I have openITG. Can get Jpac etc. should be okay - and John said he has two cabs in his warehouse.

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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #88 on: July 08, 2008, 10:18:04 AM »
John said he has two cabs in his warehouse.

Did you talk to him yet?
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Re: Replay Brisbane City
« Reply #89 on: July 08, 2008, 11:23:02 AM »
Nope couldn't find him

@everyone: what is the best time to run into John at Replay?

@chino: Should we just ring him up?